Thousands of Israelis and Arabs march in Jerusalem to support Palestinian independence - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Thanks for the great news and a good seed. Its bound to happen.

..I think she has good intentions.

As did Rabin, Peres, Barak, Olmert...unfortunately, though, it appears their counterparts did not. that brilliant Palestinian strategy ended up with Netanyahu, Lieberman in power. just a few, short years ago Bibi almost killed the Likud party all together by wining only nine (9!) seats in the Knesset. yet, the Palestinian leadership brought him all the way back by rejecting deal after deal offered to them by former willing Israeli governments. now they have the Chutzpa to whinge about having to deal with him, Lieberman. what exactly did they think was going to happen?

Perhaps the Israeli public will give the Palestinian leadership another chance at it, which they will happily use to miss on again, I'm sure.

I'll be surprised if there is any 'positive' reporting of this protest in the American MSM...

Those so-called "deals" were not in the best interest of the Palestinians.

one would have to be a fool to accept either one of those "deals".

Yeah, I can see how celebrating the Palestinian 5th, 11th, or even 40th Independence day this year would be so much worse than their current situation /s

Still not enough really!

Will be satisfied when country Palestine becomes legitimate.

No worries in a day they will be demonized.

Well, my question is, if the Palestinians got their own state, who would they fight? Wouldn't that render Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqska Martyr's Brigade, etc ad nauseum, obsolete?

My guess? Even if they got their own state they would not leave off attacking Israel, and seeking her annihilation, and Israel knows this. These protesters are not all that unusual. Those of a differing opinion often take to the streets in protest, especially when there is the news media present that will wring every drop of agenda-driven propoganda from their reporting.

Wouldn't that render Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqska Martyr's Brigade, etc ad nauseum, obsolete?

You're catching on to the essence of the resistance. Of course your query is hypothetical but if they follow Israel's model the leaders would be co-opted into the newly established government.

Well, my question is, if the Palestinians got their own state, who would they fight?

Each other!

Since the Israelis left Gaza and Hamas has gained control-- we actually have a pretty good preview:

*Palestinian victims of Hamas swear revenge "

SHADI Bakr Ahmad gingerly eased his legless torso into two new plastic limbs and vowed they would one day walk him back to his brutal destiny in Gaza. The Fatah man and his 14 comrades in rehabilitation have barely six legs left between them, after being mutilated by their Hamas rivals during the violent takeover of power last June. All have unfinished business: they want to get back on their makeshift feet soon to hunt down the men who maimed them

More-- from The Guardian:

Hamas murder campaign in Gaza exposed

Islamist regime has killed dozens and tortured others as 'collaborators' with Israel in war's aftermath, Amnesty and Guardian sources say

Another preview of what would happen:

Abbas: Gaza is an 'emirate of darkness'
The Hamas-run Gaza Strip is an "emirate of darkness," Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said Tuesday, as the rift deepened between rival Palestinian factions. <

blockquote>Well, my question is, if the Palestinians got their own state, who would they fight?

Bloody Hands in Gaza - Guess Who?

Some residents of Gaza were taken from their homes and shot in the legs or feet. Some were brutally beaten, and some were simply murdered, sometimes after hideous torture.

There again following the model of the newly established Israeli state where pols (ie Rabin) and even diplomats (ie Bernadotte) were murdered.

Surely, Krishna, you wouldn't be leading to the notion that when "they" do it it's intrinsic bloodthrist and when "we" do it it's extrinsic and criminal?

krishna-167929--ah here you are trying to create hate against a world you know nothing about...

Drake, knock it off. There is no need for personal insults, especially insinuating another viner is a slut. That's a disgusting word to call a woman. Krishna is a he by the way.

i think krishna is a hater,

Personal attacks are a violation of the COH...reported!

(Cut it out!)

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krishna-167929--you gonna colapes me,,you might as well colapse every middle eaterner that replys to ths site.

Isabella-37--males are sluts too,,,by the way,,if u live in america,,the word bitch applies to every one male or female with a foul mouth

You know Drake, Krishna and I have had many conversations and we disagree a lot...but, we don't collapse each other since we aren't 'rude' to each other in our conversations...

In other words, follow the code and respect the viner...

"only free men can negotiate"

Women need not apply!

Women need not apply!

what exactly is your point there with that post?

It's a joke...get it?...

Art was teasing about the previous commenter using the word 'men'...

As a woman I also read the word 'men' and have to wonder if they are not 'including' women on purpose...or are they referring to the generic 'men' as in 'mankind/human's' which includes women ...when they are using that word in a statement of any kind...

Men would probably not know that though...

i highly doubt that they are picking out women here.

It's a quote from Nelson Mandela. The whole quotable thing goes:

Only free men can negotiate. Prisoners cannot enter into contracts.

The subject here is negotiations (not the gender of participants, but I think you knew that). It's a great point that any negotiations carried out under the current circumstances are conducted with people that are limited by military occupation. The US & Israel are pressing for negotiations in lui of declaring Palestinian statehood. In doing so they're advocationg for a prisoner to enter into negotiations.

What? You didn't go to Jerusalem to join the march IDF? C'mon man you gotta cover stories for us Viners.

You didn't go to Jerusalem to join the march IDF?

And find myself smashed in between those crazy Lefties, Righties? no thanks ;)

lol..totaly understandable....there's enough of that here on the vine...

What in the world would lead anyone to think that the Palestinians are capable of having a peaceful and viable nation?

Actually the question may be-- do they really want their own state living side by side in peace with Israel-- or is their main goal to destroy Israel completely-- and have the entire area? A recent seed: 6 in 10 Palestinians reject 2-state solution

73% of 1,010 Palestinians in W. Bank, Gaza agree with 'hadith' quoted in Hamas Charter about the need to kill Jews hiding behind stones, trees.

Sixty-six percent said the Palestinians’ real goal should be to start with a two-state solution but then move to it all being one Palestinian state.

sucks for them then, two state solution is going to have to happen along with the 1967 borders.

73% of 1,010 Palestinians in W. Bank, Gaza agree with 'hadith' quoted in Hamas Charter about the need to kill Jews hiding behind stones, trees.

why did you stop reading there?

reading further:

The survey’s more positive findings included that only 22% supported firing rockets at Israeli cities and citizens and that two-thirds preferred diplomatic engagement over violent “resistance.”

Among Palestinians in general 65% preferred talks and 20% violence. In the West Bank it was 69-28%, and in Gaza, 59- 32%.

this section was above the one you quoted but you skipped it:

The survey’s more positive findings included that only 22% supported firing rockets at Israeli cities and citizens and that two-thirds preferred diplomatic engagement over violent “resistance.”

i highly doubt that this will change anything.

Maybe not but it is a beginning that is internal and visual , that the world is seeing. I think it shows how willing the people are to engage in this sort of protest.

I think the idea it happened AT ALL is what is remarkable...

And to follow-up on a previous comment I made...So far, no news reports in my local paper or on air (tv/radio)...Interesting huh?...

it doesn't seem the march of a thousand pro-Palestinian Jews amounted to much.

What it does show is that many Jews are not like you who wants the Palestinians wiped off the face of the earth.

"With 5,795,000 Jewish residents of Israel, it doesn't seem the march of a thousand pro-Palestinian Jews amounted to much"

Eh, not so long ago in this country, in the beginning, a few thousand whites out of over 100 million marched right alongside black folks. In the end, it amounted to a lot.

In the beginning, Tunisa started off with one man. Egypt, with a handful of people. All movements for the rights and freedom of a people start off small. It's not about the numbers.

With 5,795,000 Jewish residents of Israel, it doesn't seem the march of a thousand pro-Palestinian Jews amounted to much.

the majority of israelis support pre-1967 borders, when i posted that you found that to be insignificant.

I understand how people want a future, and to live in peace and prosperity. If that's the case, and that's what they truly want, why is there still rocket fire from Gaza? Where are the protests over that? Never mind that it's largely ineffective. It reveals a dark and murderous heart coming out of Gaza. Israel does not fire into Gaza without provocation.

Israel does not fire into Gaza without provocation.

and I suppose you are the arbiter of what is provocative? similarly you would refer to any Israeli fire as defensive, you know, because they provoke it, they deserve it, they have it coming. Do you also question why there are attacks on Palestinians? No, to your mind they have it coming right?

Israel does not fire into Gaza without provocation.

You seriously joking really? whether israel fire anything or not, there were other from of unprovoked crimes that have been perpetrated against the Palestinese for over 40 years.

Nothing but,

Simple.

Typo error-

"form of" not "from of"

Sorry.

Thanks.

No problem...we got the point anyway...

Well, far be it from me to stand in the middle of an Israel-hating crowd and try to put forth my points. So you all go pat yourselves on the back. Israel is here to stay. If the Palestinians want any kind of a future, they'll make peace with Israel, and all those who whine about Palestinian rights and how terrible is Israel will just fade into obscurity. Israel was here long before the Palestinians, and they will be here long after the Palestinians are gone.

will be here long after the Palestinians are gone

Really you just revealed your true colors.

Levi777--your country is but a mere child with a bottle in its mouth,,and as for isreal,,they aint here to stay,,,middle east is far more bigger then microdot isreal.....and besides,,,,,looks to me like your country is more afraid of isreal then any other,,,watch out,,,your best friends have already turned on you,,,given your country already gave isreal billions of dollars...and from what i see,,,your country already turned its back on isreal....also your country is going bankrupt within a matter of 15 years..

SPECTACULARARAB

Asalam Alaikum

Levi777--given the fact that an isreal man bulldozed an american and killed her,,shot at american planes flying over head,,do u think isreal likes america? no

Really you just revealed your true colors.

feel like it is the extermination of all palestinians that they root for.

No problem...got the point anyway

Thanks.

feel like it is the extermination of all palestinians that they root

Of course no one wants to admit that.

Of course no one wants to admit that.

Of course it's not true. who's 'they' anyway?..

Of course it's not true. who's 'they' anyway?

To the ones who think that Palestine should not return as a country.

Of coursely yours Salam.l

In any case, we still have the best Falafel and Hummus. two things that will never change!

Salam, Shalom.

Thanks for admitting it.

"we still have the best Falafel and Hummus"

Heh. Your Hummus is really good, but I think Egypt has you beat on the Falafel, especially Heba el-Sherif. She has everyone beat hands down.

A couple days ago the AP did mention the march in one of it's roundup type reports by Matti Friedman. It was not the focus of the report. Most of the US local pubs rely on the news services for content. That AP story including the weak mention appears in some local publications (ie - Kansas City Star, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Fort Wayne Journal Gazette).

The Washington Post ran a Joel Greenburg authored story similar to the one in the seeded Haaretz.

That's pretty much all you can expect anymore. It's not local news here in the US. The US pubs rarely have the editorial direction and even less often would they have their own reporter at the scene of an event in a foreign country. People who rely on the local media are certainly missing the bigger picture.

. People who rely on the local media are certainly missing the bigger picture.

True, but we would certainly hear if there was a 'violent disturbance'...especially if they could lay the blame on the Palestinians...

I think the selectness of the news is purposefull though...